Curse

Henchman · Oct 24, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

I'm sure we've all, at some point played with a group that has a noob in it.
Some examples of what I am refering to:
-A player that runs off form the rest of the team, and ignores the mission objective.
-An AFK'er
-A player who rushes into a mob of creatures only to get himself killed.
-Leavers (if they left intentionally).

Usually, it is still possible to complete your objective even if you do have a noob in party. But once Nightfall is released, these noobs will also have heroes with them. Since heroes always stay with their leader, they will run of with him, stay afk with him, and rush to get themselves killed with him.
So Now, whenever you'll have a noob in your party, you will also gain several more hero noobs, and completing your objectives will be a lot harder then if you only had that sole noob.
Does anyone see any way around this, and how do you think this will affect gameplay?

EDIT: Before I wrote as an example of a noob
-Leavers (whether intentional or an error)
I did not mean that if getting an error makes someone a noob. I meant that the outcome would be the same whether or not the player left intentionally- the team would lose the player and all of his heroes.
My apologies for the misunderstading.

Arduin · Oct 24, 2006, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Heroes add up to the total of 8 party members, so if you bring 3 heroes, and another person brings 3, you would have your party together. Of course, when the other person screws things up, half of your team will be crippled. That's why I'm sure to only invite people (with their respective heroes) which I know are capable of finishing this mission etc. without failing it because of noobish behaviour. It will be even more important to carefully pick the people you play with.

Tetris L · Oct 24, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Look at it this way: If you form a PUG with 7 people you don't know, chances are pretty high that at least ONE of them is an idiot. You can reduce that chance a lot by forming a PUG with only 1 person you don't know (and his 3 heroes).

Navaros · Oct 24, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Or alternately, if he is an idiot, your whole party is doomed. Whereas with PUGs full of people chances are better that one or two of them might not be idiots and hence can still carry the party with you despite some bad apples.

Original poster brings up an excellent point in that now it will just take one terrible player and his heroes to completely ruin a party.

Arduin · Oct 24, 2006, 08:38 AM // 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetris L

Look at it this way: If you form a PUG with 7 people you don't know, chances are pretty high that at least ONE of them is an idiot. You can reduce that chance a lot by forming a PUG with only 1 person you don't know (and his 3 heroes).

Had'nt thought about it from that point of view

Velvet Wing · Oct 24, 2006, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Or you can just stand in an outpost and keep yelling: LFP for mission, no heroes allowed

Tetris L · Oct 24, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Or alternately, if he is an idiot, your whole party is doomed. Whereas with PUGs full of people chances are better that one or two of them might not be idiots and hence can still carry the party with you despite some bad apples.

Original poster brings up an excellent point in that now it will just take one terrible player and his heroes to completely ruin a party.

For most missions/quests one or two idiots is well enough to ruin the game for the whole party. One hothead running off to agro multiple mobs Leeroy Jenkins style can easily get the whole party killed. Happened to me many times.

I think with heros you have to be more picky when setting up the PUG, but once you've started your chances may actually be a lot better than with an all-human party. I'll gladly spend 5-10 minutes to chat with ONE pick-up partner, discuss our team build and tactics, and in the process assess if he's capable to handle it. That is much harder than assessing a group of 7 humans in the same time.

Arduin · Oct 24, 2006, 11:01 AM // 11:01

^ or ask a fellow-guildmember to join with his/her 3 heroes, nearly a 100% chance of succes

Velvet Wing · Oct 24, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Should be a nice opportunity to go out and talk with your guildmembers some more

NinjaKai · Oct 24, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

How is a leaver a noob if they have an error that can't be helped.

Velvet Wing · Oct 24, 2006, 11:26 AM // 11:26

agreed

CyberMesh0 · Oct 24, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Genuine err7 leavers are not noobs. Leavers due to any other reason (except an IRL emergency or something of that caliber) are just plain stupid. But back on topic. I think even just having me, 3 heroes and 4 henchmen is easily leaps and bounds better than me and 7 other henchmen. At least the henchmen still follow the group direction button. So if I see an overwhelming majority of players that I deem hazardous I will most likely just take henchmen along with my heroes for the mission or quest or what-have-you. Problem solved.

mushy · Oct 24, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

''-Leavers (whether intentional or an error)''

What sort of a sweeping statement is this! People get oo7 error's, or their comp overheats or crashes, or an issue comes up. So that makes them a 'noob'? I don't feel these people should be refered as this term as it is just wrong and doesn't apply to them.

crucifix · Oct 24, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

i think the big fear is not neccesarily PvE in this aspect. we should be worried about the mix of heroes + real players + the new control of heroes/ henchmen +6 man HA. PvE is nothing serious, but im predicting an insane insurgence of henchway/heroway in halls.

Well99 · Oct 24, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Always loved those I am to leet for this group types.As soon as you start mission they leave or afk.Or they decide to take off from the group and then complain cause monk doesnt heal them.
As far as the topic well I probably go heroes and hench unless my friend is on.
Way too many people in last pugs I was in being prima donnas.I will miss those pugs where folks worked together.Those are the ones you enjoy.Just to rare anymore.
As far as err7 it happens and the player has no control so no fault there.
Those in a good guild shouldn't have a problem.Just hook up with guildie.
Anyhoo in a few days NF is here...)
Also disclaimer:Only on second cup of coffee so any silly remarks due to lack of caffaine(SP)

Cloudpiercer · Oct 24, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaKai

How is a leaver a noob if they have an error that can't be helped.

Thats what I'm thinking, I read that and got kind of heated.

Anyway, guildies and friends ftw. (you only need one now)

mushy · Oct 24, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

''PvE is nothing serious''
PvE is just as fun / 'serious' as PvP, it depends on the person, everyone is different, for me i'm pure PvE so i fine PvP is usless....

crucifix · Oct 24, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

i say pve is nothing serious because you have plenty of time/ tries to do what you want. screw up a gvg and your rating tanks, screw up HA and you start the ckimb again. in PVe, you really cant mess up.

raca137 · Oct 24, 2006, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Heroes add up to the total of 8 party members, so if you bring 3 heroes, and another person brings 3, you would have your party together. Of course, when the other person screws things up, half of your team will be crippled. That's why I'm sure to only invite people (with their respective heroes) which I know are capable of finishing this mission etc. without failing it because of noobish behaviour. It will be even more important to carefully pick the people you play with.

You can only bring 3 heros total for the whole party. You cant bring 3 and your buddy brings 3.

So for soloing stuff you can have 1(yourself) +3 (heros) + 4 (henchmen)

DarkWasp · Oct 24, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Good lord, you people worry about everything possible. I never would have thought of this one myself!

If you pick up a noob with heros, chances are you have heroes yourself.

That means, there are 2 human players. Usauly in a group of 2, you don't pick up a noob.

I don't see this as much of a problem, especialy if you have a few friends online. All you need is one.